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 Post subject: Dramatic Miniature Photography
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:19 pm 
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Hey guys,

This seemed like the most likely spot to post this question: I recently read through The Anphelion Project and was most impressed with the very realistic looking photographs Forge World took of their miniatures and dioramas. Any idea what photo effects and what software they might have used? I'd love to try this myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:56 pm 
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For sure they used Photoshop.
It has (or had, I'm a little out of date) a built in sepia-toning filter or B&W filter to change the hue of your pics. You can also get plug-ins for noise or monitor lines, or just make your own.

For the smokey, cloudy effects the best thing to use is real smoke. If you know someone who does smoke, get them to exhale slowly through a straw or tube at ground level (to the model) slightly off camera. The effect is a directional, blowing fog or dust.
The faster the blow, the more directional. The slower, the more billowy.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Ah, now that I am home from work and have the book in front of me, I can be more specific.
I was a digital imaging technician and photographer in a past life, so if you want to duplicate an effect let me know and I will come up with my best answer. It may take a little while for my brain to change gears though!

If using an SLR or a camera that allows you to change the F-stop or f-number use a higher F-stop. Most go to F22. THis gives you the greatest depth-of-field (area of focus, from the foreground to the background)
To pick out a single model, reduce the F-stop. This will keep the model you are focusing on sharp, while blurring the other models and background.

Some of the lights in the buildings appear to be lit up. One way is to drill out the lights and shine a bright light on the area with the holes. Another is to use small LED or other lights. You can cheat by adding them digitally (as I think they did with the Termies spotlights. It is not quite as authentic, as the digital lights don't cast highlights and shadows.

Oops, suppertime. More later

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:00 pm 
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OK. Suppers done.

If you have photoshop, you gan get the gritty asthetis of the pictures in a few easy steps.
My version is 6, I'm sure I'm about 42 versions behind, so menu's may differ

With the image open:

Image>adjust>Hue/Saturation
Lower the saturation 60 -100%

Now create a new layer
Edit>Fill>50% Grey
Filter>Noise>Add Noise> Gaussian, Monochromatic, Amount depends on taste
Now, in the layers window, select blend mode to Overlay

Voila! Gritty war pic.

Here's the results:
Before: http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh19 ... leaper.jpg
After: http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh19 ... eaper1.jpg

After 20 minutes: http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh19 ... eaper2.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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This is fascinating, HD! The final product does indeed remind me of the FW photos. Does Photoshop Elements have the effects or do I need the full version of Photoshop?

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Cyberwatt wrote:
This is fascinating, HD! The final product does indeed remind me of the FW photos. Does Photoshop Elements have the effects or do I need the full version of Photoshop?


Thanks for the opprotunity to dust off the old program.
I don't know Elements at all. If it has a filter/feature to add noise, use that. If you can't adjust the amount, apply it a few time until it is as grainy as you like it.
Most programs have a feature to convert the image to B&W. Use that next.
That should do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Hey. Just downloaded a trial copy of PS Elements 8. I can list the new steps here:

1. Choose Enhance > Adjust Color > Adjust Hue/Saturation
2. Adjust hue slider to -60 or less
3. Choose Layer > New > Layer...
4. Click OK to accept the default values
5. Choose Edit > Fill Layer... > 50% Grey
6. Choose Filter > Noise > Add Noise > Gaussian, Monochromatic, Amount according to taste
7. Select Overlay in Layer window

Just in case anyone wants to upgrade... :wink:

Also your final image begs the question: what tool did you use to merge the photo background with the model itself. Does this involve what's called "clip masks?"

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Ideally, yes, I would have used a layer mask. A clipping mask is pretty much the same thing. It masks parts of the image so it can be easily edited layer. It also allow you to blur the edges slightly so it gives a smoother blend with the background
I was not terribly concerned with that, so I used a nifty little tool called "eraser", and my best friend in Photoshop, Ctrl-Z.

Photoshop tip - copy your original pic to a new layer. Then if anything bad happens, the original is still there to work from.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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For folks that have a full version of photoshop, there are more tricks to be done.

You can copy a model and paste it back into the picture precisely over the original, but on a new layer. Then adjust the brightness, contrast, hue, etc, and use a soft edged eraser to cut away undesirable portions of the changed image so it perfectly transitions back to the original layer below.

One thing that's maddening about photographing minis, is trying to get acrylic paint to match the appearance of cloth. Generally the natural highlights need to be knocked down a bit to diminish the appearance of glossiness.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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I really like your start on what seems almost a turorial ;D

So i will move this to tutorials

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Hi guys, i made these quite a while ago after being inspired by the AI4.

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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These are very nice, Gareth! Looks like the reduced hue saturation and higher contrast combined with that scan line effect (don't know its real name).

What steps differed in your pictures from what is outlined above? It's a very cool technique!

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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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The scan line was a line drawn in illustrator and then set to step and repeat to create lots of lines equally spaced apart. I then imported those lines into photoshop and set the layer to multiply (or is it overlay... it's one of those 2).

I then add a layer mask and using a large grey brush I burn out some of the lines in places (usually the brightest areas).

I also created a new layer and placed it at the top of the layers and flooded it black and then created another layer mask and then using a black brush on the layer mask I paint the areas I want to show. This leaves nice dark shadowy areas in the corners.

But the overall sepia colour was achieved in hue/saturation and selecting colourise and adjusting the sliders. The tweak the contrast.


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 Post subject: Re: Dramatic Miniature Photography
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Hive Drakken wrote:
Ah, now that I am home from work and have the book in front of me, I can be more specific.
I was a digital imaging technician and photographer in a past life, so if you want to duplicate an effect let me know and I will come up with my best answer. It may take a little while for my brain to change gears though!

If using an SLR or a camera that allows you to change the F-stop or f-number use a higher F-stop. Most go to F22. THis gives you the greatest depth-of-field (area of focus, from the foreground to the background)
To pick out a single model, reduce the F-stop. This will keep the model you are focusing on sharp, while blurring the other models and background.

Some of the lights in the buildings appear to be lit up. One way is to drill out the
nice led lights and shine a bright light on the area with the holes. Another is to use small LED or other lights. You can cheat by adding them digitally (as I think they did with the Termies spotlights. It is not quite as authentic, as the digital lights don't cast highlights and shadows.


Oops, suppertime. More later



I always prefer led lights like you


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