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 Post subject: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:16 am 
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An article was recently put up on bell of lost souls about a trogon's massive scything talon rules. The rule basically states that if you have more than one pair of talons you get +1 attack each time it fights. It is armed with three pairs of talons all with this rule. The problem is whether or not the rule triggers only one giving +1 attack only or if each pair with that rule triggers and the effects stack giving +3 attacks. The prevailing opinion seams to be just +1 but the wording of the rule doesn't explicitly state only +1. People have been bringing up that the talons are purchased as one piece of wargear for points but i don't really see that as relevant to the argument. What do you guys think?


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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:28 am 
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That logically it can be argued as +3 if you split 2 each of your attacks, but then you have to attack with the tail as well so that muddies the water even further. But sensibly it's just the +1 and ultimately the debate just causes nerdrage between either side of the opinion. No doubt it'll be resolved in due course and end up as a non-argument. In the mean time we're all just finding our feet so I'll err on the side of caution +1 and just try and get my head around the rest of the rules before I fall apart over one ambiguous rule. :D

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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"More than one pair"

To me that is if you have anything beyond 1 pair, you add +1. Not more than +1.
But maybe I am more restrained in my way to read the rules than others are :p

Then again, having 3 pairs (Like the trygon) just makes it rather silly if it is only +1. No bonuses for the extra pair, that you have to pay for when playing matched games.

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:07 pm 
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Yeah - what the others have said: +1.

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:35 am 
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A similar ambiguity turns up in the points costs. When paying for the scything talons for Trygons and Trygon Primes (listed as "two or more pairs"), do you pay the one cost for all the pairs of talons (which seems the sensible option) or the cost for each pair (which would be a ridiculous amount of points)?

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:05 pm 
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The big one needing a FAQ for the 'nids right now is the (formerly) twin-linked Devourers. All other weapons in the game received double the shots for twin-linked. 'Nids? Nope.

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:25 pm 
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They FAQ's today!

TYRANIDS
Q. Monstrous scything talons say that if the bearer has more
than one pair it can make one additional attack. How many
extra attacks does a Trygon, which has three pairs of monstrous
scything talons, make?
A. It makes a total of one additional attack.

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Womp Womp. So much for that. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Yey, paying points for 0 :P

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Where did they post up the FAQ? Link?

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Snapdragon wrote:
Where did they post up the FAQ? Link?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/201 ... ge-post-1/

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Hm - they still didn't double the number of shots for a twin-linked devourer. That's interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: massive scything talon attacks on a trogon
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Of course the follow on question should be about a Hive Tyrant with two pairs of monstrous boneswords. Each pair has the trait "a model armed with monstrous boneswords can make 1 additional attack with them in the Fight phase".

This is similar to the language for chainswords: "Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon".

And the ruling in the FAQ: "Q. If a model is equipped with two chainswords, do they get to
make 2 extra close combat attacks? A. Yes (though both must be made with a chainsword)."

This seems to be completely analogous. If you have two sets of monstrous boneswords, you get two additional monstrous bonesword attacks in each fight phase (giving the Hive Tyrant effectively 6 MBnSw attacks + mandatory pincer tail attack). Whether this is worth more than taking a shooting weapon, monstrous rending claws, or two pairs of scytals is a separate question.

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